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Post by Tortwag on Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:58 pm

Hi everyone! Shell Master Tortwag here, and this time I want to post a suggestion about 2 possible additions to Generation 0.
At least I hope they are possible.

In any case, here's the first one:
-As we all know, the Casino present in Gen one is controlled by Team Rocket and an underground hideout can be found below it. Thing is, if we're playin' 35 years in the past, we can safely assume that it could be something like a old cabaret house controlled by the mafia ('cause that's pretty much what Team Rocket represents). Said Cabaret House could be home to a unique organization where trainers place bets on various challenges and battle in order to see who will win and eventually earn the most money.
Here's an example of how it could work out:
-You enter in the Cabaret. You go straight to the scene and a guard asks you to take a stage name or something (mostly for comic relief, as I don't think Oak nor Agatha are really into nicknames. ESPECIALLY Agatha). In any case, there are several challenges to place some bets upon, such as, let's say, the Single Champion Challenge. Basically you bet that you can win the next battle with only one pokemon against whatever team comes against you next (without knowing what's coming at you: and that's the whole interest of the bet, right?). You set a specific amount of money, and if you win, against let's say, a team of 4 pokemons, well you earn your amount of money times 4.
-Or a Disadventaged Champion Bet, where you bet that you can win the next battle (knowing what's coming) with a team of not very effetive types against your opponents.
-Or even Intact Champion, ---> you bet that you won't take a single hit in the next match, whatever team comes against you. See? Lots of possibilities.
That would also be how Team Rocket would recruit powerful trainers and get them to work for them.
Eventually you could meet young Giovanni (who's about Agatha's age or a bit older maybe) and fight him as some kind of boss, Team Rocket Admin, etc.


And that's the idea so far. Any comments?


Now, on to the S.S. Anne...
So we all know this ship, right? The one that goes around the world, is supposed to have trainers from around the world, etc. Yeah. Well, 35 years ago, we could imagine that it was only under construction, and that the Team Rocket would like to get the plans of that ship to create a Rocket Cruiser of their own and ride the seven seas to steal pokemons from around the world. That's definitely a project they could have, and there could be some kind of conflict between you and Team Rocket who tries to attack the sailors etc. to get the plans of the ship. There could also be a meeting with the future Captain of the S.S.Anne (y'know, the one who teaches you Cut), who'd fight by your side as the Gym Leader of the local town. That's just another supposition though, not sure if that is even planned in the game.

That's it for that, too. Comments? Like the ideas? No? Why? I'm all ears Smile
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Re: Pokemon Casino and S.S. Anne

Post by Hydro on Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:05 pm

I love the Idea of the cabaret! It'd be a bit like the different restaurants in X/Y and ORAS. I think it being owned by the mafia is a bit of a stretch.... Mostly as this is Kanto... based on a region in Japan... The reason Mafias were included in the game, in the form of Team Rocket was because of the Mafias of Japan rising to a prominent position in the late 1980s... They didn't exist to the same degree in the time frame of the game, they would just be rising up. (This is just my opinion, as a historian of sorts... The story of the game can divert in any route it chooses, as, let's face it, it's pokemon... A fictional video-game...)
Just an idea, but as an alternative to casino gambling, in the years prior to casinos, there were plenty of horse racings... We could easily slot in a Rapidash Derby, or an overall pokemon derby. Something that could be related to the pokeathlon in HGSS... Just a thought...

I like the idea of including the S.S. Anne, and I'm pretty sure that it was already slotted for an appearance... The creepy cut guy though... WHY? Then again, we could have an explanation for his love of massages....

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Post by Tortwag on Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:57 pm

Hi Hydro! Glad you like the idea Smile
Well I only used the term "mafia" to refer to Team Rocket, because that's what they are. However... I actually really dig the idea of them being much less powerful than they are 35 years later. So this would basically be owned by Madame boss (the person), but would be a much elss obvious Rocket recruitment hideout. Now that's interesting! You could find lots of trainers bein' like: "I came here to sign up for Team Rocket. I'm sure it's gonna be fun!" *battle starts* or somethin'.


Hmm... Another interesting suggestion. Well... Personally, I think this Rapidash (or yes: Pokemons in general) derby thing could work better as a side entertainment in, let's say Fuschia City, owned by the same group that creates the Safari Game. Not to mention if they bring out rare pokemons to the derby, it would explain how they got famous and manage to turn the WHOLE THING into the Safari business. That and since Celadon City is more of a urban area with most of the space being planned for stuff like the Center Commercial that'll come later, and all that, I don't think they'd have enough space to add something like a Pokemon derby. What do you think?


Thanks there, too. I wasn't actually sure if anything was planned for the S.S. Anne, so yeah.
XD I don't find the captain THAT creepy, but hey, maybe that's just me. And...Yeah! explaining his love of massages, that's a good idea! There also be some jokes about the dude being a Gym leader in a city close to the sea while he's actually seasick.

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Re: Pokemon Casino and S.S. Anne

Post by TBC on Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:10 pm

Hey guys!

Thanks for the suggestions ^_^

@Hydro wrote:I think it being owned by the mafia is a bit of a stretch.... Mostly as this is Kanto... based on a region in Japan... The reason Mafias were included in the game, in the form of Team Rocket was because of the Mafias of Japan rising to a prominent position in the late 1980s... They didn't exist to the same degree in the time frame of the game, they would just be rising up.
I disagree with Team Rocket not being prevalent in Kanto in the past.  I'm actually planning on doing the opposite of what you propose lol. As Tortwag said, I'm having Madame Boss be the leader of Team Rocket(she's from a CD Drama that was in Japan). She's much more of a hard-ass than Giovanni and I'm going with her having much more of an organized rule. Not unlike the mafia.  

It is my supposition that after Giovanni took over, Team Rocket then was weakened heavily to the point of atrophying their influence in Kanto at large by Gen 1. That's why it's so easy to take them down from a 10 year old.  My plans for how to get Madame Boss dethroned? Well that's another story entirely....  Twisted Evil

I really like the idea of the Cabaret and derby. There could definitely be some form of a mix of both of those in Celadon or something. However, Giovanni is only around 40 years old, while Oak is 50.  So in this game he'd just be 5. I was able to come up with those dates by looking into Madame Boss' information and the timeline of Mewtwo Strikes back and the events prior to it.  Well, he'd be around 3, actually. But yeah.

I'm digging the S.S. Anne idea, too!  I don't think the guy would be the gym leader, though. It would all depend on the backstory of the location. If the gym was owned in a familial way, or if it was passed down or something, or if nothing can be dated back. If it would work canonically, I would definitely think about that part.

But I like the idea of Team Rocket attacking S.S. Anne. In the game, you start when Team Rocket is essentially sending raids to attack different cities. They've already moved in-land so-far as to attack Cerulean when you start the game, so that could definitely work. 

And yeah, I'll be sure to include something funny for his love of massages :p

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Re: Pokemon Casino and S.S. Anne

Post by Tortwag on Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:35 pm

...Ok yes you ARE an ninja, that answer was really fast O.o And you're welcome for the suggestions!

Ah... Ok. Personally I thought Hydro's idea quite interesting, but... Yeah the whole Team getting weaker as the bosses disappear... I kinda understand that, too. Either way are fine by as long as the Cabaret's a possibility Smile And I suppose it is since you seem to enjoy the idea.
That and the derby. I was a fan of the whole Pokeathlon thingy, and I believe Hydro's idea fits, too. I wonder how we could mix that in Celadon though... Since it's actually derby race game... Ah, but then again, the map is not the same as in Fire Red, so yeah it could mix.

Oh, Giovanni's too young. Forget what I said then: it becomes irrelevant.


Thank you again! And it's fine if the future Captain's not the Gym Leader, though: there must be a way to use this guy. It would really be fun if it could work, but I guess that's for you to decide, too.

Oh wait Team Rocket are sending raids? Now that's pretty awesome! Then it definitely strenghtens the idea of the S.S. Anne being under attack, I suppose. And to be fair I'd REALLY like to fight them for that.


Oh please do. It would make a nice reference to Gen 1 Very Happy

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Re: Pokemon Casino and S.S. Anne

Post by TBC on Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:54 pm

Teehee!  Cool

Yeah. I like the Cabaret idea. It's like the mafia fight rings, but they bet on matches instead of fights :p   It could have still some semblances of gambling stuff too, just like not as much like with the machines in Gen 1. And yeah, I'll find some way to make the derby thing work. I like that idea. Would be a neat mini-game of sorts.

Oh, as long as he's old enough to use, I'm using him. Pretty much any character than can be dated back will be used in one way or another. 

Right?  When you mentioned the S.S. Anne thing I was like "hey, that fits with what I'm already planning" lol.
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Re: Pokemon Casino and S.S. Anne

Post by Tortwag on Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:50 pm

Precisely. That is precisely the idea I had in mind. Underground Mafia ring fights Very Happy
Yeah, not as much would be better, because they'd probably lack the means/technology. I mean, it's freakin' 35 years ago, so I guess the gambling games would be different.
And yes, that derby would be interesting, especially considering the amount of speedsters in Kanto. AND the other gen pokemons with that Very Happy

Oh. I thought some (even old enough) would be omitted. Huh. That's interesting!

Oh, you WERE planning something with the S.S. Anne. Well that's neat, glad my idea fits enough to incorporated. I shall use my brain for other suggestions! That I hope will be as useful as those ones.
And Hydro's derby. I REALLY wanna try that.

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Re: Pokemon Casino and S.S. Anne

Post by TBC on Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:37 pm

Awesome Very Happy

Well, we still had casinos in real life 35 years ago :p   But yeah, I think less with the more mafia-centered gig if cool :p  Ooooh yeah, Kanto does have a lot of speedsters :p 

Well I don't see why not.  Unless they wouldn't have been like in Kanto at the time.  But if they're old enough, it would be cool to see them.

I meant it fit in what I was planning with Team Rocket :p I didn't/don't have any specific plans for the S.S. Anne just yet. I need to see if I can date back to when it was made. Either way, though. The Team Rocket attack definitely gives it a good story point.
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Re: Pokemon Casino and S.S. Anne

Post by Tortwag on Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:19 pm

True that. And pokemon's technology is quite advanced in the "present", too, so I wouldn't be surprised to find some machines.

It's nice to read that. Lot of comeos for sure.

Oh. Well now you have draft! Not sure when to place it though, since the new map also provides new routes to the cities of Kanto I assume, so there's that issue, too.

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Re: Pokemon Casino and S.S. Anne

Post by TBC on Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:58 pm

Hahahaha yeah.   One thing I always like to remind people of is the power of the Pokeball. Straight up being able to take a living being and break it down into a beam of light, store it inside a tennis ball sized piece of technology(NOTE that it shrinks down to a golf ball), then, at will, be able to release it back into a fully formed and functional being with no mental or physical degradation and do it within seconds.  That's some shit right there. 

That technology alone puts their civilization wayyyyy ahead of ours in that sense.  Plus, in the anime, Pokeballs are dated back 200 years. That's some Atlantis level shit.

Yes! Cameos everywhere! ALL THE CAMEOS.

Right.  I do also want to put some of the Anime only areas in as well. So progression will be quite a bit different than it is in the normal games.
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Re: Pokemon Casino and S.S. Anne

Post by Tortwag on Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:33 pm

Strangely, that wasn't what I thinking about when talking about technology (I should've, though).
For some reason, the thing that startled me the most in my first Red (then later Fire Red) playthrough was that you could revive a freakin' dinosaur out of a piece of amber, and the operation is performed within... A few seconds, if not a bit more. That's also some serious shit we're talkin' about.

...Oh, right. I had forgotten that. Then they know how to clone stuff, etc... Yeah. Even in the past their technology must've been quite advanced.

I thought you'd do that. There ARE some VERY interesting areas in the anime, and that's one good reason why I keep watchin' it.
Like the Crystal Onyx's cave, for instance. Loved that one.

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Post by TBC on Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:30 pm

Hahahahaha yeah :p  A lot of people think that just because it's 35 years it means they'd be in the stone age, simply because we had a huge shift in 3 decades in our world. But the Pokemon world is much more advanced :p  Oh yeah, definitely. Reviving a Pokemon out of amber is some shit. 

Definitely ^_^   Yeah, I'm gonna have to go over some research with the Anime to get all the areas and stuff.   Oh yeah! That was awesome Very Happy
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Re: Pokemon Casino and S.S. Anne

Post by Tortwag on Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:39 pm

We currently finished a good inch of the history program, and I really realize that, yeah, NO, it WASN'T the stone age, even in our world.
I know, right? I found that much more impressive than the fossils, personally.

Oh, then you should go over to Bulbapedia. They've done some kind of map + list of areas and events of the anime, and that could be really useful to you.

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Re: Pokemon Casino and S.S. Anne

Post by TBC on Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:52 pm

Oooooh yeah! I'll definitely check that out ^_^   If you wanna make any anime-based suggestions, open a new topic and feel free! Very Happy
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Re: Pokemon Casino and S.S. Anne

Post by Hydro on Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:25 am

Some random anime Ideas:
Black Arachnid. Master Thief, 65 years before the events of the game.
Mr. Briney and Drake from Hoenn: They'd be making world travels as ship captain/first-mate (I believe...). Briney would be 35 roughly at the time of the game...
The water pokemon tournament at the whirl islands, and the water racing in the heroes-Lati@s movie.
Pudgy Pidgeys!!!

I like the evolution of ideas here... intriguing...
Pokeballs are only possibly made from apricorns, so the technology could be very basic, but we just do not have access to the raw materials in this universe... Just a though...
Also the power possibly generated by pokemon would speed the rise of technology to phenomenal heights... Again, just a though... Razz

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Re: Pokemon Casino and S.S. Anne

Post by TBC on Sun Dec 21, 2014 3:55 pm

@Hydro wrote:Some random anime Ideas:
Black Arachnid. Master Thief, 65 years before the events of the game.
Mr. Briney and Drake from Hoenn: They'd be making world travels as ship captain/first-mate (I believe...). Briney would be 35 roughly at the time of the game...
The water pokemon tournament at the whirl islands, and the water racing in the heroes-Lati@s movie.
Pudgy Pidgeys!!!
Cool! Thanks Smile I'll look into em. Why don't you start a thread in the suggestions forum? I've been a bit absent there, but I'll be around soon.
@Hydro wrote:I like the evolution of ideas here... intriguing...
Pokeballs are only possibly made from apricorns, so the technology could be very basic, but we just do not have access to the raw materials in this universe... Just a though...
Also the power possibly generated by pokemon would speed the rise of technology to phenomenal heights... Again, just a though... Razz
It doesn't mean it's necessarily basic. It just means they're able to make it small. Apricorns were probably just a natural item that had the size they needed.  I'm still fully going with the fact that they would have to be a greatly advanced civilization to be able to take living beings and put them into data streams and be able to make them corporeal again without issue.  

I agree with the Pokemon aspect. Definitely having like electric Pokemon to make more electricity and other pokemon to help with nature and stuff, it would allow people to focus on other areas of knoweldge.

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Post by Hydro on Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:18 am

I'll get around to that eventually... I'd need to think on it a while, and build up some extra ideas too, to actually make a post worth posting... Razz

I do understand that it's not necessarily basic, but that is a possibility. Much like many of the discoveries of scientists over the ages that we dismiss nowadays as common thought, it could be much the same...
Also, with the pokemon, they'd have access to capturing legendary pokemon of extreme powers, enough to generate power beyond imagine to us currently. I know that one of the biggest problems our science is facing in the modern world is limitations of technology. The large hadron collider, liquid nitrogen, and the building of a particle accelerator in France that converts hydrogen to helium are all current projects in our world that could be solved by catching/breeding a bunch of pikachus... This is also discounting the intellectual ability of pokemon like alakazam, whose IQ is unparalleled in any universe, and even if exaggerated grossly, pokemon with that level of complex though could solve problems such as the pokeball easily...
Also, considering the appearances of animals in part of the anime/dex entries, along with the supernatural powers that pokemon possess, there is little we can do to speculate the complexity of their capture...

I do understand and respect your decision with the movement of time in the game, but I think you do need to understand the new lore you need to explain by creating an advanced civilization... Such as the locations, government systems, and the great war to come... I'd be happy to help with those if you request though! Razz

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Post by Tortwag on Mon Dec 22, 2014 7:14 pm

Hmm... I need to look into those anime events as well, I don't remember them all...

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Post by TBC on Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:27 pm

@Hydro wrote:Also, with the pokemon, they'd have access to capturing legendary pokemon of extreme powers, enough to generate power beyond imagine to us currently. I know that one of the biggest problems our science is facing in the modern world is limitations of technology. The large hadron collider, liquid nitrogen, and the building of a particle accelerator in France that converts hydrogen to helium are all current projects in our world that could be solved by catching/breeding a bunch of pikachus... This is also discounting the intellectual ability of pokemon like alakazam, whose IQ is unparalleled in any universe, and even if exaggerated grossly, pokemon with that level of complex though could solve problems such as the pokeball easily...
Yeah, I said I agree on the Pokemon thing accelerating their technology. That's pretty much the only way to account for the advanced technology they have. Having access to nearly unlimited energy and the rare intelligent Pokemon that can communicate with humans, yeah.
@Hydro wrote:I do understand and respect your decision with the movement of time in the game, but I think you do need to understand the new lore you need to explain by creating an advanced civilization... Such as the locations, government systems, and the great war to come... I'd be happy to help with those if you request though! Razz
I think you're taking the words "advanced civilization" a bit too grandiosely. I don't mean some great huge empire. I mean advanced in the sense of having something as ridiculously advanced as the Pokeball automatically means their civilization is extremely advanced, technologically speaking.

However, I do definitely plan on delineating upon those ideas of government and the pre-war society that changed Kanto both geographically and sociologically.   I generally don't "request" help on that stuff, given between myself and my team we come up with a lot of great ideas. However, you're welcome to make suggestions whenever you want Smile  I had a writer that got on the team sometime ago(he left though) that made it on simply from the random ideas he suggested and how they were pretty good.
@Tortwag wrote:Hmm... I need to look into those anime events as well, I don't remember them all...
Indeed Smile There are quite a few.
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Re: Pokemon Casino and S.S. Anne

Post by Hydro on Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:55 am

In my defense, I was just stating some opinions I have from the basis I know of the pokemon series Razz ...

I respect your point with the pokemon technology... However... I still have to disagree on the matter of advancement this world has made from our own. We have no idea how intense this technology is, we can only speculate... That is one point I hold my case on... I am just saying that we cannot be assured that the technology is extreme, with our own current ignorance of it. We also cannot know for certain what pokemon are, and what they are made of. Pokemon could be magically captured by simple stones. I use the dark and light stones of Black and White to support that argument...

I know that the time could be similar to modern day, or incredibly different, simply due to the raw power of pokemon. I'm just here to give extreme ideas Razz ...

I understand that politics in that world may not have advanced in comparison tot their technology, but having advanced technology leads to either holocaust or M.A.D... So the simple pokemon should have brought about a world of order beyond our own... There must be some organization of sorts that has power, or a political situation that assures human survival...

Also, just a thought that came about when writing this. How is the political and sociological nature of pre-World War II Japan going to influence this game? Japan was a Major player in the world at this time, and I think that should definitely be discussed in this game, despite it's child-"directedness"(don't quote me on that, I'm just assuming this game will be directed to a younger audience since it's a pokemon game...) Also a part of the game could include the religious extremism active in Japan during the first half of the 20th century. By this I'[m talking about the conflict/merging of Mahayana Buddhism with Shintoism, and the still budding Christian population. (This might be a bit too controversial, so it might be wise to avoid it like the plague Razz )

I'd be happy to contribute my unique opinion whenever. I'm pretty active right now (s you can probably tell Razz ), so if you ever need an extremist in every which way to contribute, just send me toward the conversation Razz

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@Hydro wrote:we cannot be assured that the technology is extreme, with our own current ignorance of it. We also cannot know for certain what pokemon are, and what they are made of. Pokemon could be magically captured by simple stones. I use the dark and light stones of Black and White to support that argument...
That sounds nice and everything, but it's wrong. We can tell the technology is extreme because we can look over the last 10,000 years of civilization and the technological advances we've made with them. Video phoning is just now become more of a societal norm, where it was integrated freely in society in Pokemon as-seen in the anime.

There could be some magic stones that capture Pokemon, yes, but you're saying it is mutually exclusive to the complexity of the technology of the Pokeball, which is wrong. It's already shown in the anime and told in the games that it's done technologically, not through magic. It's machines that break down physical beams into streams of data that can then be sent through the air from PC to PC and reconstituted from those same Pokeballs without any issue or atrophy of DNA. That is advanced.

@Hydro wrote:I know that the time could be similar to modern day, or incredibly different, simply due to the raw power of pokemon. I'm just here to give extreme ideas Razz ...
Simply because an idea is extreme, doesn't necessarily mean it's good. An argument needs to be cogent.

My point with the Pokemon is that they could have advanced technology faster than what we have today. Because society in Pokemon in terms of health care and technology and general disease control is vastly more advanced than we have in our own world today. So it isn't a 1-to-1 comparison for years in real life to years of Pokemon.

Like you can't say going back 30 years from Gen 1 means the Pokemon world would have to use 1970s technology. That's ludicrous.

@Hydro wrote:I understand that politics in that world may not have advanced in comparison tot their technology, but having advanced technology leads to either holocaust or M.A.D.
This is seen in our world, yes. But we're talking about the world of Pokemon It doesn't necessarily mean there will be mutually assured destruction since their technology is more advanced than ours. For them the technology is normal, yes. But to us, and in terms of reality, it is very advanced.

Furthermore, there's multiple crime syndicates harassing children and threatening world domination on a yearly basis. Don't tell me Pokemon isn't M.A.D.

@Hydro wrote:Also, just a thought that came about when writing this. How is the political and sociological nature of pre-World War II Japan going to influence this game? Japan was a Major player in the world at this time, and I think that should definitely be discussed in this game, despite it's child-"directedness"(don't quote me on that, I'm just assuming this game will be directed to a younger audience since it's a pokemon game...)
I won't really be injecting real-world politics or religion into the game. There may be religious aspects, as I'm not one to shy away from something just because it's controversial. But I don't intend on going into that stuff as deeply as you're inquiring about, no. Kanto in Gen 0 is going to have its own political and societal structure that I'm taking from Gen 1 and the various backstory elements I'm adding to the game.

Also, I just want to note. Gen 0 is by far not aimed at children. In any sort of way. At one point you literally are going to see a Scyther completely stab it's blade through an eldery woman's stomach and will see the blood and stuff. There's going to be murder, loss, betrayal, swearing, love(not sex stupid shit our culture does, but actual love), heartache, psychological damage and other adult themes. In the newer demos I've created warnings about this.

@Hydro wrote:I'd be happy to contribute my unique opinion whenever. I'm pretty active right now (s you can probably tell Razz ), so if you ever need an extremist in every which way to contribute, just send me toward the conversation Razz
As stated before, it doesn't need to be extreme to be good. Often, trying to force a type of idea makes it bad. I love ideas and suggestions, but don't try to fit them into a stereotype.
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